In the United States, the labor force participation rate rose from approximately 59% in 1948 to 66% in 2005,[3]

Normally, the labor force of a country (or other geographic entity) consists of everyone of working age (typically above a certain age (around 14 to 16) and below retirement (around 65) who are participating workers, that is people actively employed or seeking employment. People not counted include students, retired people, stay-at-home parents, people in prisons or similar institutions, people employed in jobs or professions with unreported income, as well as discouraged workers who cannot find work.



This is a list of countries by size of the labour force mostly based on The World Factbook [1]

# 3

United States
2009 est.



US Population –

Data source: U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division – Last updated July 26, 2010


The United States has a total resident population of 310,233,000.[1]




307,212,123 (July 2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 3


CIA FactBook


15-64 years: 67% (male 102,665,043/female 103,129,321)
65 years and over: 12.8% (male 16,901,232/female 22,571,696) (2010 est.)
(also from the CIA Factbook)

My note –

So, without adding those individuals over 65 who may now with the current economic disaster, need to go back to work or make money –
There will be around 205,794,364 employable people from age 16 – 64 years old in the United States next year – because that’s how many are estimated now. Considering some will have turned 65 and still need to work and many in the age groups beyond that who are coming out of retirement due to necessity – that means conservatively – 200,000,000 (million) people are in need of incomes and could be considered employable.


In February, the civilian labor force participation rate (64.8 percent) and the employment-population ratio (58.5 percent) were little changed. (See table A-1.)




In the United States, the labor force participation rate rose from approximately 59% in 1948 to 66% in 2005,[3]

(However, these two numbers were derived in different ways and include what? or rather exclude how many groups of the employable population?)

(from above – the estimated US labor force from official sites is – )

2009 est.

size of the labour force mostly based on The World Factbook [1]

205,794,364 employable people from age 15- 64

subtract 154,500,000

and that means their estimations of the participation in the employment or rather unemployment in America – is off by only 51,294,364

– uh huh –

that’s 51 million people more or less – (not including retirees going back to work or who need to re-enter the workforce).

But, over here on the wikipedia site of US demographics – it says there are some 228,000,000 adults – interesting.

See the chart of religious affiliations in the middle of the page –

Adult population, total

1990 –


2001 –


2008 –


Numerical Change 1990 – 2008 as percent of 1990




Friday, September 3, 2010

The number of unemployed persons (14.9 million) and the unemployment rate (9.6 percent) were little changed in August. From May through August, the jobless rate remained in the range of 9.5 to 9.7 percent.

In August, the civilian labor force participation rate (64.7 percent) and the employment-population ratio (58.5 percent) were essentially unchanged.
(See table A-1.)



So, what these numbers say – is that out of

205,794,364 employable people from age 15- 64


2008 –

228,182,000 adult population, total


14.9 million are unemployed.

which gives the percentage rate of –

9.5 to 9.7 percent

only if over 52 million people and all retired people over 65 aren’t counted.

And, only if those working part-time or reduced hours without choice in the matter are considered “employed” despite not being able to survive on that income.

Because obviously – in the United States – there are not 90.5 – 90.3 percent of the population working at real jobs where they can make a living or we wouldn’t have the problems that we do.

On other charts, it becomes obvious as well, that there aren’t jobs for 90 percent of the people in the US available where people could be employed.

And, regardless of how many jobs that businesses are claiming to have “added” – without hiring people for those jobs, it represents no more than another way to manipulate the labor figures to make them look better than they actually are.

Also –

these numbers could easily be added to that total of “unemployed” –

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) increased by 331,000 over the month to 8.9 million.
These individuals were working part time because their
hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.

and these as well –

About 2.4 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force in August, little changed from a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally adjusted.)
These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were avail-
able for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. (See table A-16.)



And, those are only the numbers from among those they are counting which don’t include a vast number of people in the adult population of various groups.

So, simply to add those two groups as the Labor Department admits the numbers (which likely are very conservative and truly too low to be anything close to reality) –

2.4 million trying to find work but not counted


8.9 million people part-time without choice


14.9 million people that the Labor Department admits are unemployed.


25.8 million people known to be unemployed or not making enough money or completely unemployed according to the Labor Dept.


the other 52 million people that they aren’t counting at all


77.8 million people unemployed out of the employable adult population

And –

however many retired people who now need to go to work somewhere.

which is probably why the Labor Department population employment participation is around 58% instead of 90% …..

So, my question is – what if the real numbers are that 77.9 million people are not making enough money in the United States to be considered “employed” – wouldn’t that make the true unemployment rate significantly higher and the problems that result from those facts – utterly the truth of the state of affairs that we face as a nation?

Shouldn’t we maybe do something about that now?

– cricketdiane


Or is it enough to pretend like its all going to magically get better as long as people believe it is better . . .

From a different perspective –

Homelessness in the United States increased significantly in the late 1970s and became an important political topic.[1] The number of homeless people further grew in the 1980s, as housing and social service cuts increased and the economy deteriorated. The United States government determined that somewhere between 200,000 and 500,000 Americans were then homeless.[2] The number of homeless is reported to have risen since that time.

According to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development, there were 664,414 sheltered and unsheltered homeless persons nationwide on a single night in January 2008.

Additionally, about 1.6 million persons used an emergency shelter or a transitional housing program during the 12-month period between October 1, 2007 and September 30, 2008. This number suggests that 1 in every 190 persons in the United States used the shelter system at some point in that period.[3]



Wonder what it is now with all the foreclosures that have happened.

Here is another figure from the same article (on wikipedia)

Lifetime homeless prevalence measured in 1990 by Bruce Link and colleagues found 7.4% or 13.5 million people reported experiencing literal homelessness.[15] These estimates were tabulated from telephone interviews and thus most likely excluded all currently homeless individuals.

As many as 3.5 million people experience homelessness in a given year (1% of the entire U.S. population or 10% of its poor), and about 842,000 people in any given week.[16]

(and this)

New York City

In 2009 in New York City, there were an estimated 51,000 homeless people.[84]

On June 22, 2010, the New York City Department of Homeless Services reported that the sheltered homeless population consisted of:[99]

  • 8,243 Families with children
  • 1,271 Adult Families
  • 7,725 Single Adults
  • 35,537 Total Individuals

In March 2010, there were protests about the Governor’s proposed cut of $65 million in annual funding to the homeless adult services system.[100]

There was a mobile video exhibit in the streets showing a homeless person on a screen and asking onlookers and passersby to text with their cellphones a message for him, and they also could donate money by cellphones to the organization Pathways to Housing.[101][102]